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Miles Aircraft company
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Hmmmmm
2007-05-06 01:53:20 UTC
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This is a REALLY WILD ATTEMPT AT FINDING TRUE ENTHOUSIASTS ........


Looking for any information on 1940s experimental models ..

of the type M62 - M66

Any help, please post here

Thanks
Jon Borg
2007-05-17 18:56:41 UTC
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Post by Hmmmmm
This is a REALLY WILD ATTEMPT AT FINDING TRUE ENTHOUSIASTS ........
Looking for any information on 1940s experimental models ..
of the type M62 - M66
Any help, please post here
Thanks
Have you seen this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Aircraft
Ivor
2007-05-22 21:41:17 UTC
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Hope this may be of some use

Regards, Ivor



history
Peter Amos

The story of Miles Aircraft started at Shoreham, in the county of Sussex, in
1925, where, from very small beginnings, Mr. F.G. Miles, one of the sons of
a laundry owner at nearby Portslade decided that his future was to be in
aviation. He then decided to design and build his own aeroplane, which he
called the Gnat. It was a small biplane and was built in the workshop of the
laundry with the help of a few friends but it was destined never to be
flown.

Miles then decided that he really ought to learn to fly, so he enlisted the
help of the now legendary Cecil Pashley to teach him in his Avro 504K.
Having obtained his 'A' licence, Miles lost no time in persuading Pashley to
help him to operate a joy riding business along the south coast.

Miles then acquired an Avro Baby biplane, a number of Avro 504K's and other
assorted airframes, and then decided that the Baby could be suitably
modified to make a really aerobatic, sporty, aeroplane this became the
Southern Martlet, one of which survives to this day in flying condition, at
Old Warden with the Shuttleworth Trust.

His next venture, after he had met and married 'Blossom', was the Satyr, a
very small and highly aerobatic biplane, which was built for him by George
Parnall & Co. of Yate in Gloucestershire.

In 1932, Miles met Charles Powis, a motor engineer who had formed an
aviation business, Phillips & Powis Aircraft (Reading) Ltd, in 1929, at
Woodley, near Reading in Berkshire. During the course of conversation they
agreed that what was really wanted was a cheap but modern, light aeroplane
for the private owner and aeroplane clubs. By then MIles had decided that
the way forward was with low wing, cantilever, monoplanes, to be built of
wood and so the Miles Hawk was born - the prototype making its first flight,
from Woodley, on 29th March 1933.

Thurstan James, who reviewed Don Brown's book 'Miles Aircraft since 1925',
which was published by Putnam in 1970, for 'Aerospace'. His views are very
similar to mine and a better precise of Miles Aircraft would be hard to
find:

No phenomenon of British aircraft construction deserves closer study than
the outburst of the Miles efflorescence in the twenty years between 1928 and
1948. In that time 47 different types of Miles aeroplane were flown and a
total of 5,644 were built between 1929 and 1946. The story is told in this
book. It tells how a young man (F.G.Miles) without training or money but
blessed with unique talents and energy, coupled with those of his wife
(Blossom), the aid of a gifted brother (George) and certain enthusiastic
adherents (among whom the author of this book was one) revolutionised the
look of British light aviation, grew big enough to go into partnership with
Rolls-Royce and became a fully fledged member of the S.B.A.C.

The protagonists learnt to fly before they learnt to design. They test-flew
their own aircraft.

It was a long time before Miles aircraft were built by a firm bearing that
name. In the beginning was the Gnat Aero Company. This grew into Southern
Aircraft Ltd. For what was perhaps the firm's finest hour it was known as
Phillips and Powis Aircraft of Reading - Charles Powis of that company
played no small part in the Miles story, more than appears in this book. As
one of Putnam's pubilcaions devised to give maximum data about aircraft
types and projects, this volume succeeds in full measure. Out of ninety
separate types dealt with, half are projects - but what projects!

Outstanding was the Supersonic Project literally built round a Whittle
turbine. DesIgned during the closing stages of World War lI, it had been
ordered by the Government with the object of attaining the hitherto
unbelievable speed of 1,000 mph. After the War ended, chicken-hearted
Authority lost its nerve and cancelled the razer-winged projectile before
completion so that the Americans, whom the same chicken Authority enabled to
study the design, got there first.

Subsequent tests with the air-launched rocket-propelled models showed that
the straight-winged Miles design could have achieved its goal. Its success
full-scale might have altered the whole pattern of Britain's post war
aircraft progress.



Another Miles design, two versions of which flew but was also rejected by
Authority, was the remarkable Libellula tandem-wing concept. This promised
much by virtue of its extended c.g. range between the trailing edge of the
leading wing and the leading edge of the rear wing, though some people might
find something worrying in the idea of a tandem-winged aircraft in a tightly
banked turn. A design, which still has potentialities over twenty years
later, is the Miles M.68 Boxcar with its mobile detachable container, able
to be towed by road to the aerodrome and latched into place on the airframe.

The essential rightness of Miles designs is shown by the fact that though
Miles Aircraft closed down in 1948, there were in 1969 still 59 Miles
designs on the British Register. It seems designers who can build and
test-fly their own designs have a certain something!

With regard to his last comment, where indeed could you have found another
company then (and almost certainly none now), whose Chairman & Managing
Director, Chief Designer and his assistant, could not only design and build
a most remarkable range of very advanced, innovative and practical aircraft,
but who were also qualified to test fly them as well.

In December 1948, Miles formed a new company. F.G. Miles Ltd, at Redhill
Aerodrome in Surrey, and from there he started all over again. In 1952 he
started to move back to Shoreham, where it had all begun 27 years
previously, and from there, over the ensuing years, the business developed
into the Miles Group of Companies - but that, as they say, is another story.


From an advertisement by Miles Aircraft Ltd, published in 1945:
HERE ARE SOME OF OUR PAST LAURELS


1933 Miles Hawk was FIRST modern aircraft to sell for under
£400.

1934 FIRST manufacturer to fit split flaps as standard.

1935 FIRST, second and third in King's Cup.

1936 FIRST to introduce monoplane training in the R.A.F.

1937 Miles Kestrel trainer FASTEST in the world - 296 m.p.h.

1938 Miles Master wins LARGEST contract ever placed for a
trainer.

1940 Miles M.20 was FIRST and only modern fighter to be built
in 9 weeks.

1941 Miles M.28 was FIRST aeroplane to carry four people at 160
m.p.h.
and over 20 m.p.g.

1942 Miles Libellula - MOST successful unorthodox aeroplane.

1943 We must not say, yet - but be assured that


MILES AIRCRAFT LTD.

ARE NOT SATISFIED TO REST ON THEM!
Hmmmmm
2007-05-27 05:53:36 UTC
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This is GREAT, Ivor ..

What I'm after is some info about the 'transfer' of aircraft designs
during the 1940s from the UK to the US ...

I write 'transfer' as it was seemingly done under cover and no form
of compensation, AFAIK, was given to Miles.

I think the designs concerned the M62, M63, M64 or similar.

Any info would be VERY MUCH appreciated !
Post by Ivor
Hope this may be of some use
Regards, Ivor
history
Peter Amos
The story of Miles Aircraft started at Shoreham, in the county of Sussex,
in 1925, where, from very small beginnings, Mr. F.G. Miles, one of the
sons of a laundry owner at nearby Portslade decided that his future was to
be in aviation. He then decided to design and build his own aeroplane,
which he called the Gnat. It was a small biplane and was built in the
workshop of the laundry with the help of a few friends but it was destined
never to be flown.
Miles then decided that he really ought to learn to fly, so he enlisted
the help of the now legendary Cecil Pashley to teach him in his Avro 504K.
Having obtained his 'A' licence, Miles lost no time in persuading Pashley
to help him to operate a joy riding business along the south coast.
Miles then acquired an Avro Baby biplane, a number of Avro 504K's and
other assorted airframes, and then decided that the Baby could be suitably
modified to make a really aerobatic, sporty, aeroplane this became the
Southern Martlet, one of which survives to this day in flying condition,
at Old Warden with the Shuttleworth Trust.
His next venture, after he had met and married 'Blossom', was the Satyr, a
very small and highly aerobatic biplane, which was built for him by George
Parnall & Co. of Yate in Gloucestershire.
In 1932, Miles met Charles Powis, a motor engineer who had formed an
aviation business, Phillips & Powis Aircraft (Reading) Ltd, in 1929, at
Woodley, near Reading in Berkshire. During the course of conversation they
agreed that what was really wanted was a cheap but modern, light aeroplane
for the private owner and aeroplane clubs. By then MIles had decided that
the way forward was with low wing, cantilever, monoplanes, to be built of
wood and so the Miles Hawk was born - the prototype making its first
flight, from Woodley, on 29th March 1933.
Thurstan James, who reviewed Don Brown's book 'Miles Aircraft since 1925',
which was published by Putnam in 1970, for 'Aerospace'. His views are very
similar to mine and a better precise of Miles Aircraft would be hard to
No phenomenon of British aircraft construction deserves closer study than
the outburst of the Miles efflorescence in the twenty years between 1928
and 1948. In that time 47 different types of Miles aeroplane were flown
and a total of 5,644 were built between 1929 and 1946. The story is told
in this book. It tells how a young man (F.G.Miles) without training or
money but blessed with unique talents and energy, coupled with those of
his wife (Blossom), the aid of a gifted brother (George) and certain
enthusiastic adherents (among whom the author of this book was one)
revolutionised the look of British light aviation, grew big enough to go
into partnership with Rolls-Royce and became a fully fledged member of the
S.B.A.C.
The protagonists learnt to fly before they learnt to design. They
test-flew their own aircraft.
It was a long time before Miles aircraft were built by a firm bearing that
name. In the beginning was the Gnat Aero Company. This grew into Southern
Aircraft Ltd. For what was perhaps the firm's finest hour it was known as
Phillips and Powis Aircraft of Reading - Charles Powis of that company
played no small part in the Miles story, more than appears in this book.
As one of Putnam's pubilcaions devised to give maximum data about aircraft
types and projects, this volume succeeds in full measure. Out of ninety
separate types dealt with, half are projects - but what projects!
Outstanding was the Supersonic Project literally built round a Whittle
turbine. DesIgned during the closing stages of World War lI, it had been
ordered by the Government with the object of attaining the hitherto
unbelievable speed of 1,000 mph. After the War ended, chicken-hearted
Authority lost its nerve and cancelled the razer-winged projectile before
completion so that the Americans, whom the same chicken Authority enabled
to study the design, got there first.
Subsequent tests with the air-launched rocket-propelled models showed that
the straight-winged Miles design could have achieved its goal. Its success
full-scale might have altered the whole pattern of Britain's post war
aircraft progress.
Another Miles design, two versions of which flew but was also rejected by
Authority, was the remarkable Libellula tandem-wing concept. This promised
much by virtue of its extended c.g. range between the trailing edge of the
leading wing and the leading edge of the rear wing, though some people
might find something worrying in the idea of a tandem-winged aircraft in a
tightly banked turn. A design, which still has potentialities over twenty
years later, is the Miles M.68 Boxcar with its mobile detachable
container, able to be towed by road to the aerodrome and latched into
place on the airframe.
The essential rightness of Miles designs is shown by the fact that though
Miles Aircraft closed down in 1948, there were in 1969 still 59 Miles
designs on the British Register. It seems designers who can build and
test-fly their own designs have a certain something!
With regard to his last comment, where indeed could you have found another
company then (and almost certainly none now), whose Chairman & Managing
Director, Chief Designer and his assistant, could not only design and
build a most remarkable range of very advanced, innovative and practical
aircraft, but who were also qualified to test fly them as well.
In December 1948, Miles formed a new company. F.G. Miles Ltd, at Redhill
Aerodrome in Surrey, and from there he started all over again. In 1952 he
started to move back to Shoreham, where it had all begun 27 years
previously, and from there, over the ensuing years, the business developed
into the Miles Group of Companies - but that, as they say, is another story.
HERE ARE SOME OF OUR PAST LAURELS
1933 Miles Hawk was FIRST modern aircraft to sell for under
£400.
1934 FIRST manufacturer to fit split flaps as standard.
1935 FIRST, second and third in King's Cup.
1936 FIRST to introduce monoplane training in the R.A.F.
1937 Miles Kestrel trainer FASTEST in the world - 296 m.p.h.
1938 Miles Master wins LARGEST contract ever placed for a
trainer.
1940 Miles M.20 was FIRST and only modern fighter to be built
in 9 weeks.
1941 Miles M.28 was FIRST aeroplane to carry four people at
160 m.p.h.
and over 20 m.p.g.
1942 Miles Libellula - MOST successful unorthodox aeroplane.
1943 We must not say, yet - but be assured that
MILES AIRCRAFT LTD.
ARE NOT SATISFIED TO REST ON THEM!
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