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Survey: where have all the pilots disappeared to?
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Peter
2007-04-25 15:24:08 UTC
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1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity

???
Tim Ward
2007-04-25 16:38:16 UTC
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Post by Peter
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
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Geo
2007-04-25 17:30:20 UTC
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Post by Peter
1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity
6) Have given up reading anything about GA UK flying - all far too depressing...

Geo
Barney Rubble
2007-04-25 17:45:10 UTC
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4) No longer use Usenet

Too many whack jobs out trolling on usenet (see what MX has done to
re.aviation.pilots for example). Usenet has had its day. It's sad to say but
moderated, closed forums (UK Flyer, PPRUNE, AOPA) yield a much higher signal
to noise ratio.

- Barney
Post by Geo
Post by Peter
1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity
6) Have given up reading anything about GA UK flying - all far too depressing...
Geo
Peter
2007-04-26 10:57:23 UTC
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Post by Barney Rubble
Too many whack jobs out trolling on usenet (see what MX has done to
re.aviation.pilots for example). Usenet has had its day. It's sad to say but
moderated, closed forums (UK Flyer, PPRUNE, AOPA) yield a much higher signal
to noise ratio.
I suspect this is as much due to Micro$oft taking over the world (I
see you use Outlook Express) as anything else. I've been using Agent
since c. 1995 which does email and usenet and have never had any
problems. Silly people just go in the killfile and that's the end of
it.

I read pprune and flyer too and find plenty of people on there with
what I would call personality disorders, scores to settle, etc, hiding
behind nicknames just like in usenet.

In fact, some forums (flyer.co.uk in particular) suffer from a large %
of one-line posts which waste a great deal of time to wade through. I
would need hours per day just to read that forum. RSS is one way
around this; it gets close to usenet's efficiency. No idea if flyer
does RSS but pprune does. Pprune's RSS doesn't offer plain text output
though, without all the HTML formatting, which makes it slow.

The UK AOPA forum is nearly dead.

An interesting question is where one can find IFR pilots, or pilots
with any sort of real experience. I think the rec.aviation.* groups,
mostly American, are still the best place for asking a technical
question, despite the near lack of European content. I guess there are
plenty of other web based forums but I don't have time to even look
for them.
Mike Isaksen
2007-04-26 22:35:23 UTC
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Post by Peter
1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity
???
Wow, very timely question, and similar to what this NY Times article
mentions about actual flyers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/26/fashion/26pilot.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

posted by another in rec.aviation.piloting just yesterday.
Peter
2007-04-27 09:20:03 UTC
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Post by Mike Isaksen
Wow, very timely question, and similar to what this NY Times article
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/26/fashion/26pilot.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
posted by another in rec.aviation.piloting just yesterday.
Interesting article.

"The number of student pilots is down by about a third since 1990,
from 129,000 to 88,000. The number of private pilots is down from
299,000 to 236,000, according to statistics kept by the Federal
Aviation Administration. And they are aging."

In the UK, the 1/3 drop has happened since about 2000.

"The prospect of taking months to earn a pilot’s license is less
appealing now. It is also expensive, $5,000 to $7,000"

WISH! Double that over here, at least.

However, I don't think straight money is the issue. There is plenty of
money about. Stand next to the M25 and count the £100k cars. People
just spend their money on other leisure pursuits. Most PPL recruits
are indeed on minimal budgets, but that's only because the others
don't turn up in the first place.
Paul Sengupta
2007-09-19 11:49:33 UTC
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Post by Peter
1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity
(4) Generally.

(3) ukga.com and flyer. But then you know that, Peter! :-)
Peter
2007-09-19 13:11:47 UTC
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Post by Paul Sengupta
Post by Peter
1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity
(4) Generally.
(3) ukga.com and flyer. But then you know that, Peter! :-)
Didn't know that - perhaps they use other nicknames.
Paul Sengupta
2007-09-19 17:17:18 UTC
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Post by Peter
Post by Paul Sengupta
Post by Peter
1) No longer fly, not interested
2) Still fly but don't visit pilot forums
3) Read other pilot forums instead (which ones?)
4) No longer use Usenet
5) Would use this newsgroup if there was more activity
(4) Generally.
(3) ukga.com and flyer. But then you know that, Peter! :-)
Didn't know that - perhaps they use other nicknames.
Just talking about myself.

Paul

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